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Piloxll

Jens86

Administrator
Har ikke satt meg så nøye inn i dette, men det er noe som skal komme på markedet innen et års tid, og er basert på wounding-teoriene. To velrenommerte israelske forskere står bak, Dov Ingman og Erez Manor (google dem, så finner man ut at disse er seriøse). Bildene ser VELDIG lovende ut.

Patent: http://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2013084189&recNum=122&maxRec=45356&office=&prevFilter=&sortOption=&queryString=robotics&tab=PCT+Biblio

Hva en anerkjent bruker på et annet forum skriver som har gått gjennom patenten:
Imagine a device that does Dermarolling (wounding), while simultaneously sending electrical signals and vibrations to stimulate blood vessel formation and release growth factors (FGF-9 etc) to induce hair follicle neogenesis! On top of that they have managed to block scalp 5-alpha reductase (Type I) by firing charged Zinc and Copper elements in the dermal layer using this special derma-roller!

I don't know if you guys undrestand! We blocked scalp 5-a-reductase via minerals!

What I read tonight has blown my mind! I need the whole night to think about what I just read!!!! OMG...we don't have to be worried about libido problems, PFS, etc!!!

Guys, if you're sick of Finasteride or have advanced hairloss, this may bring us back 1-2 norwoods!

Treatments are done by patients at home! They range from 5-20 minutes 3 times per week. Results are visible by 6 months and some patients almost completely reversed their hairloss by 12 months!!!! They had 70% responder rate as well
Regner med det kommer mer informasjon på de større forumene om dette snart, hvis dere vet noe mer post det her :)

Bilder:
 

Vedlegg

Finasteride

Supermoderator
RE: Piloxil

Piloxll skal det vist være, for Piloxil er minoxidil i for oralt inntak. Ser veldig bra ut, og som vanlig veldig mye skepsis. Ingen kan verifisere at bildene er riktige. Lite informasjon på nett så nesten alt blir spekulasjoner. Uansett styrker dette litt troen på dermaroller i behandling mot hårtap etter min mening.
 

Jens86

Administrator
Poster litt info fra et annet forum:
Hi Guys,

Sorry or the delay with answers, I had to wait for Yoram answers.
Although Yoram gave answers to brunobald, he didn’t know it will be published and the restrictions about revealing the knowledge still exist.
You must understand guys that the Pilogics partnership did not want this story to be published till the product will be available for marketing.
They know that the word has already spread but they still want to keep most of the details in secret.
Therefore, I was asked, again, to be very restrict with the data and talk mostly on my personal experience.
Any issue, which will have the potential of revealing harmful data will receive no answer or be sent to Yoram for approval.

YOU ALL MUST TAKE MY ANSWERS IN LIMITS! I’M NOT PILOGICS REPRESENTATIVE NOR ANY OTHER FORMAL SPOKESMAN!
I was just given an approval to share some staff cause I want to give you hope and good filling as I, myself would have wanted to be treated like.

Please forgive my English, it’s not my mother language.
Please be patient with the speed of my posts since I’m making efforts to avoid English mistakes.

In the following, I will try, has much as I can, to tell you about my experience and some answers to your questions:

1. I’m 43 YO, new in the bald staff. I believe, comparing to the Norwood scale, that I’m 3 vortex.
Started using Rogaine 1.5 months before starting to use Piloxll.
I quitted Rogaine 5 days before starting to use Piloxll.
2. Before starting my trial, Yoram shaved 2 spots on my crown, marked them with under skin paint and pictured with a special microscopic camera. My hair was counted per stage (anagen etc.) and 4 days later I passed the same procedure. the trial started only after the second procedure.
3. I’m using the Piloxll 3 times a day, 5 minutes on the crown and 5 minutes on the front. The protocol is only 5 minutes on all scalp 3 times a week. But… the more proven to be better.
4. The device is very easy to use and can be used during lots of other activities like watching television.
5. There are no side effects at all! Hundreds of trail users reported no side effects.
6. The device is a very high-tech instrument. Since I’m in a trial, I have the latest prototype which has further functionalities like recording every treatment that I do and the feedbacks it receives from my scalp. This functionality will not be in market device. There are so many hidden technology in it so believe me, don’t try to replicate it, it’s a waste of time even trying to follow the patent will not help..
7. Although I take picture of my scalp every few days, I’m not allowed to share them with you, yet. Maybe I will receive approval in the future, it’s in discussion. I can tell you that I see more thickness and even fuzzes in the front side which didn’t grow hair for years.

For some question you asked:
1. Pilogics has nothing to do with Polica! Pilogics has an approved patent which its idea building blocks started many many years ago. In my opinion, they didn’t even know about them till they read about the comparison in the forums.
2. “How many phases of studies are there in Israel?” – I’m not allowed to share this information.
3. “Also, what phase study is the treatment in at this time?” - I’m not allowed to share this information.
4. “And how much longer until it completes testing so we can purchase it?” -The current tests has nothing to do with marketing. The product will be out in a year. Maximum.
5. “Also, is there a reason why he won't sell the treatment now from a country that will allow him to do so?” - No one said that he is not allowed to sell right now. Selling is not pending only on regulation.
6. “Why did they abandon Pillox 2, Pillox 3, and Pillox 4?” – They did not abandon, every product has a “Product developing evolution”.
7. “Is he just now starting Pillox 5 and if he is do we have to wait years before it's marketed and we can use it?” – In a year.

Sorry if I missed a question, you may keep posting questions and I promise to do my best to give you answers.
 

Jens86

Administrator
1. are there any chemicals involved which of we should worry about? --- No chemicals

2. is there any ingredient in it which could prevent the device from hitting the market in some countries? ---No

3. when did the pilox project start? how many years of development? --- 5 years

4. Is there a picture of the device? -- Of course but obviously, can’t share it.

5. what is the scientific basis for this treatment? -- It was discussed so many times in this and other forums + written in the patent. Please read.

6. Is this capable of restoring to NW0? -- I believe it depends on one’s personal status and his react to the treatment. As for myself, from what I managed to understand, it has an high probability.

7. Is this capable of restoring temple areas and crown? --- Yes

8. When restoring do crown and temple areas take longer than others or is it all in one go at the same time? – Looks like temples take longer. But this goes for any other known treatment and for treatments that will come in the future.

9. Was it Yoram's request that the Bald truth remove those threads or competitors? -- No

10. Are you seeing results faster than you thought by that I mean are you really noting it weekly? -- Yes but as you all know, only a professional examination by microscopic camera would support these claims. This will be done after 2 month of use.

11. What was the reason behind Yorams radio silence on this whole thing? --- already explained.

12. LASER? --- NO!!!

13. you surely have read the patent of the apparatus: --- I did not. I tried but there were to many terms in English for which Google Translate couldn’t translate to Hebrew. This is the reason that I started the first thread, I wanted the professionals to read it and explain the way it works.
 

Jens86

Administrator
Enig, detter er veldig spennende. Men når det er sagt, det er jo ikke første gang noe virker lovende, personlig har jeg blitt skuffet litt for mange ganger til at jeg tror på dette før jeg får høre forumbrukere sine tilbakemeldinger! Men krysser fingrene her og!
 

Finasteride

Supermoderator
Sånn tror jeg de fleste har det, men alt nytt er spennende for det. Den såkalte kuren er nok generasjoner borte. Kanskje først når man har funnet alle genene og kan vaksinere fosteret/barnet mot hårtap tror jeg vi har en kur. Det er ikke alt jeg gidder å prøve da, men det er alltid noen på forumene som prøver disse tingene sånn at vi får tilbakemeldinger etterhvert. Krysser fingrene, men har ikke tro på at dette er en kur, kun et supplement behandling.
 

Jens86

Administrator
Her er et bilde av brukeren vraf - november sammenliknet med mars. Problemet er at man ikke vet 100% sikkert om dette er scam eller ikke. Men ryktene sier at apparatet skal komme på markedet i løpet av året. Resultatene til vraf er i alle fall overbevisende om de er ekte!
 

Vedlegg

Jens86

Administrator
Update: Skal etter sigende lanseres november (planen var opprinnelig lansering denne sommeren).

Resultat av en som påstår han er uavhengig:
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badhairday

Meldem
Dette virker spennende, særlig siden jeg får bivirknimger av alle tradisjonelle behandlinger :(
Men, etter å ha googlet en stund, blir jeg ikke mye klokere på dette produktet. Virker litt for neddysset til at jeg kjøper det. Virker også som om folk på internasjonale forum har mista litt troen på det. Men det gjenstår å se. Kansje denne forskeren overrasker oss :)
 

Jens86

Administrator
Dette virker spennende, særlig siden jeg får bivirknimger av alle tradisjonelle behandlinger :(
Men, etter å ha googlet en stund, blir jeg ikke mye klokere på dette produktet. Virker litt for neddysset til at jeg kjøper det. Virker også som om folk på internasjonale forum har mista litt troen på det. Men det gjenstår å se. Kansje denne forskeren overrasker oss :)
Hvis alt går etter planen så får vi svar på dette ganske fort :) Så det er bare å krysse fingrene!
 

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